It’s not coincident that we have seven energy centers in our body it’s how nature evolved we have seven colors of light seven families of subatomic particles seven families of materials in the periodic system this pattern is like a blueprint of God of of a Creator or whatever you call it if we don’t Embrace this kind of Technology other people will do it and they will do it with bad intentions governments for example are created to maintain control and if we start to switch that to more heart-based Society

then we will see a huge shift I think in in society welcome to today’s episode of the awake Origins experience this is not just another conversation it’s a deep dive into the future of humanity and the systems that shape our world last year I sat down with futurist Christian coma at the awake origin Gathering of the tribe together we explored the profound shifts happening in Consciousness technology and Society these next 30 minutes might just change the way you see everything we living in very exciting

times I think uh but also scary times it’s very important which intention we we put into technology and I think if we start to use technology to unite people then we really start to make progress transcend your personal ego and that you collaborate in something much bigger than yourself but someone who I always have enjoyed talking to a lot and who I really respect H the way he looks at things very Down to Earth at the same time very intuitive it’s Christian K only you know Christian I think or from these days of

or you know him as an futurist entrepreneur he’s very deep into Tech but at the same time hideing into it and his dreams tell him things um for me it’s always very inspiring to hear his vision and not not that his vision is has to be reality you wanted to start this day as just is an ignition in your Consciousness in what can be happening or what is needed to get there so maybe you resonate with it maybe you don’t doesn’t really matter it’s just an example or um an example what could be happening

and maybe they can Inspire something within you gu going to invite you to hear sir Mak me yes thank you for would you willing to do this how how would you describe yourself after this weekend as a grounded futurist present futurist no I I’m just a guy who do things that I really love um I was an entrepreneur uh creating new things was a thing that I really liked so I did a lot um and since um in my private life happen some things I shifted my focus towards uh different things and that’s inspiring people so I

see myself as a guide or inspirator um helping people to see the future more clearly to take away the fear and to replace that with curiosity what can it be how can I what can my role in this uh process be and that’s the thing that I really like the most to inspire people and to help people to shift perspective to see the things from a different perspective what I see you’re doing is on the one hand side you’re going deep into topics so you you really research and on the other hand side you use your

intuition is that the correct way of scene how do you look at it yourself uh intuition comes first and then I do the research so intuition gives me the frame the guidelines uh I see the global picture and then I start to look into research and stuff to to found to make a foundation for that um so I’m highly intuitive I see things I feel things as a child I already had that um my father is an anthropos alop alop I don’t know how to say it’s in English but so he stimulated that to to draw things to to

make um uh to make it tangible um and that’s the way I do it so I feel and then I use my head to make sense of it in that order in the last few years while you’re an author you’re speaking all all across the world in very different settings corporate settings what makes it that they can relate to you why are you understandable to them well I I um at first I’m a dyslectic person so I have an issue with language so I use images I use images from nature and structures from nature and principles from nature and everyone

can relate to Nature in some way or the other we are nature our body is nature we are biology and by using biology uh you have some kind of safe space where people can relate to uh independent from culture or religion and that’s why I use it and um It’s very effective because nature is here already for for billions of years solved already all the problems that we still have as Humanity so by looking at how nature solved it people say oh well that’s natural uh and yeah that’s why it’s called nature it’s

natural and that’s why I use it and it’s very highly effective because it’s it’s a neutral uh thing for people so talking about this you’ve been writing and speaking about the seven waves which originates also in nature have you saw if you heard about this but can you in the very shortly describe what these seven waves in evolution look like yeah basically what I discovered uh when my daughter was very ill a couple of years ago about 13 years ago and in the search to to save her life I started to see the human body from a different

perspective um I start to see it as a community a society of trillions of cells that work together in harmony as one big organism and when I start to to look at the body in this way I start to question myself wow if these cells have built a complex society of trillions of cells which really is much more fast and than society that we have at this moment what can we learn from them so I started to study those cells those building blocks of our body and I started to look how they evolved or emerged from single

cell organisms to the society that we are today that we call our body and I noticed that there are seven big disruptive waves and each wave those tiny cells used biological systems to build more advanced organisms and these organisms emerged from certain complexity and I’ve distinguished seven different waves um and in all kind of religions the number comes back of course in the Bible seven days Etc and what I found out is that the first wave is all about interaction cells started communicate with each other they started

to build stone likee structures Coral it’s the Prototype of our bones same structure and this helped them to extract food from the environment and therefore they can grow faster and they survive better but at certain point they became so big they needed some kind of um infrastructure uh to get the right food and stuff inside so they started in the second wave is about infrastructure they started to build digestive systems and Vascular systems that transformed the raw materials from the outside world

into food and nutrition for the inside world and those are basically your your your uh intestines and your your vascular systems or warm like organisms which are the prototypes of our intestines but this resulted in very large organisms so they needed some kind of information infrastructure so they developed uh nervous systems and the spinal cord um eyes and ears to make sense of the world around to adapt to that World um and this resulted over time in larger organisms and they needed some kind of automation because there

was so much information going over these nervous systems they needed some kind of automation so they developed the uh the reptile brain which is the brain stem we still have it if you wake up in the morning everything in your body is fully automated so you don’t have to focus on that you can grab your coffee you have a talk with someone but the inside is fully automated well this resulted in very large static organisms dinosaurs and so there was a need for some feeling emotion so then came the next invention that was the

lyic brain or the social brain the mental brain which helped organisms to become social learn from each other learn how to hunt learn how to gather food but also learn from each other and start to uh live in groups in hurdles and in swarms but this resulted in very um emotional organisms that can only go left or right so we needed some kind of rationality and then nature developed the next layer of uh uh of our body and that’s was the neocortex brain uh which helps us to learn and adapt in real time

that’s why we can stand up on two legs keep balance uh develop tools make fire these kind of things and the Seven wave the last wave the last biological wave uh was basically the the latest brain that we have is the prefrontal cortex it’s in front of your skull and it helps us to develop language to communicate with each other to have social empatic uh Behavior but also to Envision things which are not yet there so if you have slept a week in the rain you can Envision some kind of uh building and you can build it you can

manifest it that was a very powerful tool so these are the seven waves which uh basically structured our body uh it’s not um coincident that we have seven energy centers in our body it’s it’s how nature evolved and what I saw um is that this pattern is repeating today uh but now it’s not cells using biological systems to build organisms it’s homo sapiens human beings um that use technological systems to build organizations so in my opinion that the most intelligent the largest entities on Earth are not humans anymore those are

organizations organizations are living entities and they become smarter because um if you look at those seven waves in in technology then we go to exactly the same teams it all starts with interaction the prefontal cortex helped us to develop language therefore we can share Concepts like Agriculture and stuff and that was the first technological wave agricultural wave we started to build stonik structures cities that keep us safe from the environment we start to extract food from the environment using

agriculture helping Kettle um and therefore our community were growing faster and faster and we encountered the next problem which was an infrastructural problem just like with Biology but now we didn’t develop digestive systems and Invesco systems but large industry so the second wave technology wave was the Industrial Revolution we build large industries that converted raw materials from the outside world into food and nutrition for the inside World um we build a vascular system the oil pipelines the

water pipelines uh all these kind of things to bring the right stuff to the right people at the right time within the community this resulted in even larger uh structures and we were more widespread over the world and we needed some kind of connection uh in information structure so the third big technology wave was about information um not about nervous systems and eyes ears but it’s about Telecom technology the telegraph the radio television uh we started to build sensors uh like cameras to make

television possible uh microphones to make telephone and radio possible and therefore we uh were more connected with each other well um the next problem occurred there was so much information going over these nerves or or t systems we needed some kind of automation so there we saw the automation Revolution and I’m not talking about the reptile brain but about automation technology companies like IBM started to build computers microchips operating systems software to automate all the internal processes in organizations so

organizations could start to focus on the customer customer support marketing skills all these kind of things um but this resulted in very large static um rigid organizations dinosaur-like organizations so we needed some kind of emotion and then we moved into the wave that we all experienced I think very uh consciously which is the internet wave the social media wave which responds or corresponds to the uh limpic brain the social brain and this helped organizations to learn uh from other organizations using big data analytics

tools learn from the customers learn from the target audiences and learn from the competitors so they can increase or improve their uh skill sets and now we are moving into the sixth wave we already in sixth wave and that’s um yeah correlating with the new CeX brain in biology but now we’re talking about AI in the cloud so neural deep neural networks the machines that can um recognize advanc patterns like language like images and all these things and after this wave I think in three four years we will enter the the Seventh Wave

of technology which is uh equivalent of the pre cortex which helps us to Envision things so I’m thinking about holographic technology so today the internet is a a flat screen on your tablet or your phone or your your laptop but imagine if the internet is a layer on top of reality and you cannot distinguish what is real and what is what a digital anymore well this will happen in the next 10 years everything what what I’m talking about so we living in very exciting times I think uh but also scary times because technology is

neutral but you can use it’s both good or or for bad so it’s very important which intention we we put into technology and um that’s why I do the work that I do I I hope to inspire people you start to use technology in a natural way and the purpose of biology is to connect cells and to empower cells to put them in the center of their ecosystem and I think if we start to use technology for that same purpose to unite people and to put people in the center of their own ecosystem then we really start to make progress so this is

basically the wave pattern that I discovered and this wave pattern is not only a parallel between biology and Technology it’s happening on every level every building block of the universe so we have seven colors of light we have seven families of sub atomic particles we have seven families of uh materials in the uh periodic system we have atoms helium and and hydrogen with one electron and very heavy metals with seven electron shells so this pattern is like a blueprint of God of of a Creator or whatever you call that source and

it’s very consistent on every level and that’s why I use it to um to predict what’s next not on a detail level but more on an outline level and it can tell you perfectly or ideally it it can tell you what the impact will be on Society on systems but also on individuals and human beings and that’s I think the part that I uh I’m excited about when you involve here the evolution in in Consciousness that’s happening what does that mean so you shared with me before that in few years from now you had the first heartbeat of

humanity in which over a billion people start to have a resonance with each other can you share a little bit about that and how this relates to the other waves yeah I believe just like in biology each wave creates a new level of Consciousness so the first uh single cell organisms were not quite cautious there but uh halfway the seven waves we got um an executive like Consciousness so dinosaurs were very executive um and finally humans had a social edic Consciousness so each new biological layer um helped us to develop

a certain level of Consciousness and I believe that today we see exactly the same but then on the society level so we develop a new technology the technology creates problems problems that we have never thought about and then we have to raise our Consciousness to lever ourselves to to solve those problems and that’s what we see uh today happening of course with with AI uh so we’ve developed a technology with huge potential really huge but it has also a very dark side so you can use it for very bad things and it creates all kind

of problems just like social media created all kind of problems and it forces us humans to to raise our Consciousness to think on different level uh to deal with those problems so I think technology is just like a mirror it challenges uh to to grow to evolve in Consciousness and to solve those problems and um that’s not always a nice process because it’s um it’s getting us out of our comfort zone uh but it’s happening each wave it’s happening again and again so it’s it’s it’s challenging us to to get

higher to evolve ourselves so in our own undercurrent we’re creating our own problems to raise our awareness level which is you would say the game of life and in this state of where we are as humankind we use technology to create our problems well I think most of the Technologies are developed from a um a negative perspective so most Technologies are developed in the defense industry for example um it started with iron that made swords with or sickles to make food uh same thing with machines so you can make a tractor

or a tank um and with every technology is it’s first developed to to have some kind of competitors advantage on the nation state level and later on it becomes cheaper becomes a commodity and then it’s used by the ecosystem by the people and then it’s use for nice nice things which are uh good for for for the humanity and that’s I think what’s what’s happening so we we develop it to to have some kind of Advantage then technology becomes more advanced becomes cheaper becomes a commodity everyone starts to use it and then it’s being

used for for good things so I think it’s and and each wave is like scurve in the beginning things are going really slow the development is took years for example AI already exist in the 1980s so it took very long and in a certain time it goes exponential and then it matures and then a new wave Builds on top of that and each wave in a beginning of the S curve it’s used for negative things to control to man manipulate people but when it becomes cheap and in the second part of the curve it’s often used to do

great things to make Humanity um a nicer Place uh to be so I’m very hopeful that um when the waves are getting shorter uh the time when bad things can happen also become shorter um for your for your um Imagination the internet took 20 years from from childhood to a mature platform um and in the 20 years almost everything that we do change we can almost not imagine a world anymore uh without the internet so uh we buy stuff we we collaborate through the internet the AI wave which we are currently in

only take 10 years but to have twice the impact of the whole twice the impact of the whole internet so thei wave is is um massively disruptive on on many many levels so yeah it can be used for good things but it can use can be used for bad things as well and that’s I think why we should inspire people to to use it uh in line with Source in line with creation that’s that’s about Unity about resonance about uh these kind of things so we as individuals as the collective we always have a choice we can go anywhere where we would like so

later on let’s talk a little bit more about a bright future then you would count down go down the road of let’s say more negative future what would that look like if we do take let’s say the wrong choices well if we stay inactive and if we as as Society don’t embra raise technology um certain people will and they will use it to to gain more power more control of society um if you think about governments for example governments are created to maintain stability to create control um and that’s what they will do until the end

and and now they get simple more powerful tools to do that so if we don’t Embrace this kind of Technology other people will do it and they will do it without with bad intentions or not so good intentions so I think it’s important that we as a community start to use it and and start to create bottom up movements and that embrace the technology Bitcoin is for example a nice technology that’s an example of that uh it’s by and for the people um no control from top down structures anymore it’s a decentralized solution and I believe

that that all technology will go there as well so today we have all the technology that we have are a reflection of all the institutions that we have which are all hierarchical systems centralized systems and I believe those centralized systems are the cause of I perhaps 90 95% of all the issues that we have in our world inequality fraud all all these things Wars and if we solve that and I can I believe that technology holds the key to do that to to create decentralized communities uh where we can solve our

own problems we don’t need a government and don’t need large organizations anymore and we are now entering that that domain because AI is spreading information all over the world uh knowledge becomes commodity everyone can can build a building can grow food uh doesn’t matter where you are AI can help you to do that um and I believe that that we are at a very very crit critical Tipping Point uh in time and I’m very perhaps anxious also about it if we are not going to make it um because the technology become so powerful that it

also has a very destructive power so if you don’t use it well uh this will be our last invention especially AI so I’m I’m I’m very optimistic but also very anxious about the downside of it and uh and and not not for technology itself but more the intention of the people that use the technology and um but yeah so we have to do the good work and inspire people to use it uh like biology was used I think that’s a very important thing and uh you you told me about the heartbeat um a couple years ago I was U thinking about

making a movie called sidium and sidium is the process um I’ve explained that a little bit further it’s it’s biology uh when uh a woman gets pregnant and in the womb the first cells start to divide you get a a a um a group of cells which is almost unstructured there is a structure but it’s like a big ball and at a certain time um these cells um start to create the heart and the heart is the first organ that that is being created and at a certain point in time that heart starts to beat and that’s the beginning

of Life within that creature and I believe that we are at a certain point also on the humanity level so we are a big bow of cells and a couple of people start to group and they start to create the heart of humanity where the feelings and emotions are because AI is only is only mind is only uh cognitive but we need um a heartbeat Humanity needs a heartbeat and I think that what we are doing here for example is really a big step in that direction to create awareness Consciousness around creating that heart

that heart Consciousness in society and start to use technology to to spread that to other people um and and the movie that I have in idea is is in my mind is that that you show people what happens if you if those heart cells don’t start to beat because all the cells start to rot and and the process dies so it’s very important that that heartbeat starts to uh that comes alive that there’s there’s there’s is inspiration Spirit into their cells and it starts to create itself uh into something living toing

creature and what do you believe will change when you start to beat like that one heart how do we live differently how will we create differently what Chang this well I believe that we um AI is is a cognitive technology and I believe that AI will push us out of our minds back in our body so we move from a mind-based society back to a heart-based society and if we are able to do that then people start to live from their heart they don’t do things for profit or for efficiency anymore they do things

for purpose um start to use technology for purpose start to build platform forms with a purpose uh and I think we are on that Tipping Point um and and the change that we will see is more um Purpose Driven movements Purpose Driven products Purpose Driven uh Technologies so things created from the heart and not from the head because the entire society that we have right now is is Created from the head it’s from the mind which is all about efficiency having not enough uh More Money More profit and if we start to switch that to

more heart-based Society sure we can use our head but it’s it’s just a tool it’s not leading then we will see a huge shift I think in in society and how does it work is it more a bottom up process in society or is it also at the top level or let’s say the people in power who made that shift at the same time what is your perspective well my company helped a lot of large organizations to to make a transition and I think it’s impossible uh because the people on top uh want to restructure it from their perspective

from a top down perspective so they want to create an even more hierarchical society and that’s what’s happening right now uh if you look what governments are doing um they want to create a central bank worldwide central government uh Central Healthcare System um and I think all the programs that we have today are a result a symptom of that centralized thinking of that hierarchy so I think the the only way is to create something bottom up created by purpose-driven communities and in a way that is um Unstoppable like

Bitcoin so you create a technology that replicates itself um and then you don’t need structures like hierarchies to to maintain it and I think that’s a project where I’m working on currently is called symbiosis and it’s like a swarm Organization for for Humanity so nature doesn’t work with hierarchies only we see this with wolves with alpha wolf on the rock or with the ape on the Rock but uh until 30 40 units then nature switches towards fluid organizations which are called swarms and we think that AI might be the

the kickstarter to create swarm organizations for humans and what this means is that imagine you’re installing an app for example you have dialogue with AI which is asking all kind of things about you what is your purpose why are you here who are you these kind of questions uh what are your skills um what are your values your talents and then it starts the algorithm starts to look people uh which are complimentary to your skills uh but have the same purpose so you’re aligned on a purpose level but you have

complimentary skills and mindsets and then it puts people around you so you get a cell with you in the middle you in the middle of the ecosystem and people around you but the algorithm is doing it also for all the people around you so everyone is going to be put in his own Eco Center so you can walk your own uh your own path but together supported by other people and I truly believe if we are able to build something like this and it starts to spread uh exponentially fast um uh this is basically a new

operating system for Humanity which is uh completely Purpose Driven so imagine you have an idea to create something a company a product you enter the Swarm you say okay I’m passate about this I want to create this and certainly bum bum bum all kind of people all around the world that you have never seen never met start to uh like a magnet attracted to what you are doing and and you can do the things that you like and other peop are also doing that and that’s exactly how our body works so our lung cells can

create oxygen because all the other cells around it are enabling that cell to do to do so to to to stay his purpose um and if you look at hierarchies there’s always a dependency there’s always pressure there’s always um fraud all these things uh it’s not an excess it’s it’s a property of a hierarchy so if we want to change society we have to change our organizational uh structures because organizations in my opinion are the most powerful entities on Earth right now the the process of transformation

and it comes to organization organ organization governmental or organizations be expect is going to be a gradual process in the upcoming years will it be disrup ruptions or crisis needed to tear these down how do you look at this well I believe uh that that they will implode uh at a certain time uh but until that time we will see crisis upon crisis upon crisis it’s already happening if you watch the news monetary crisis resource crisis Clean Water climatal societ Crisis this all those crisis are

stacking up and the governments can’t handle that anymore and they’re not structured they’re not capable they’re not intelligent enough to to handle those um those crisises so I think in the end they will implode and um something bottom up will will come up which is taking over the governments as we know it and sure in the future we will have some kind of government but it’s not the top down structure anymore that people say you have to do this and that and there are rules now it’s more a bottom up structure where government is

more in between uh the notes so just like Bitcoin with Bitcoin you don’t need a bank uh the transaction the security and trust is is guaranteed by technology and I believe that governance and all these things can be uh created on a technology level so that we can focus on on the purpose on the why so I believe that that that the crisis that we are currently in will only increase they will only get deeper more Global and into a level that that it cannot go any further and then just like we yesterday

you need you need contrast to or pain I think pain to become aware so if you have pain in your stomach you become conscious of your stomach and you can change your eating behavior for example then you heal and we have to become conscious of the the systems in this world that are not working and are working for the wrong purposes and what they’re doing right now is making that very clear uh so that contrast is getting bigger every day but it’s not big enough I think because a lot of people start to act differently but

still the largest majority of the people are still going with the with the old flow uh following the The Narrative that is there but it’s ending it’s ending very sooning the contrast that is created or the narratives that are out there which are sometimes maybe right and sometime are false is that intentional are people intentional creating contrast or control or is it unawareness I I think both sure there are people who want to uh put the world in a different direction in direction of um in a structure that

they have developed which is again har har centralized uh but it’s also human behavior people are greedy people want more of the same um and and that behavior shines through in organizations how they are structured and the output of those organizations are a result of the thinking of all the people in those organizations so I think it’s it’s it’s unconsciousness it’s unconscious Behavior Uh it’s also each wave that I’m talking about is also corresponding with layer in the muslo pyramid Abra muslo

created the pyramid uh they’ve discussed this pyramid but what stands um after a while is that there’s a certain sequentiality in how we solve our problems um and each wave of Technology solves a need that we have and then we focus on the top of that the need on top of that and we automated it as well and now we are pushed higher and higher well the bottom part of the pyramid is about deficiency needs so 80 90% of the organizations are all focused on deficiency need right now the top of the muscle pyramid which we are now entering

is about growth needs it’s about personal growth the seventh layer is about uh finding your purpose and expressing that purpose and the eighth layer which is the first layer of the next on top of that is about Transcendence and that’s what I’m talking about the Swarm organization that you transcend your personal ego and that you collaborate start to collaborate in something much bigger than yourself uh just like the cells are part of human body and a few years ago in 27 uh no in um until 7 years ago had

a vision about 2027 that then will be the Tipping Point when one billion people start to resonate that that heartbeat of humanity starts to um starts to beat basically and it made me on one hand very happy wow that’s soon but on the other hand I saw the contrast that in the world that we are currently in and the step that we need to make so I thought well there should happen something really bad to create some kind of coherence that that was what I saw in this uh our experience it was a very intense

experience so yeah on the long term I’m very optimistic very happy what’s going to happen but on the short term we have to deal with a lot of I think on on many levels and it starts with individual level I want to thank you for giving this inspiration you’re welcome this conversation was just one of the extraordinary moments at the awake Origins Gathering of the tribe a unique experience for conscious entrepreneurs leaders and investors shaping the future do you see yourself as part of this transformative gathering

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