through consciousness development you start to become aware of different layers in reality you can access wisdom confront the unknown courageously speak truth have enough integrity so that you can break the rules when it’s necessary in the service of a higher good to know that is to be human you need to be extremely passionate about what you do and if you’re passionate about what you do then this will infect others a lot of people are slaves of their fears and their patterns but it’s very important that you’re free

and authentic if you have the ability to empty your mind and perceive then you can see actually it’s inside out start with yourself and then you will be more capable of looking at the outside world we have to really slow down and ask ourselves what are we doing here and what what responsibility we carry for future generations i am jarel anachor and this is the awake origins podcast here to break down the misconceptions about success and happiness bringing you inspiration from awake leaders entrepreneurs and creators to empower

you to create your life from the inside out all right christian comma great to have you here on the podcast thank you for having me i’ve been looking forward to this i think it has been over a year since we last spoke with each other and i always love your insights as well you’re an entrepreneur and the futurist so um you always blow me away with the things that you’re sharing so um let’s get going what are you up to i you told me you’re leaving the country yeah yeah in two weeks from now we moved to bonaire an island in the

antilles and i’m moving there because i want to be more part of nature more inflow inflow with my environment in flow with myself i’m working on a new startup and i want to create headspace there to to have new insights and new creative inspiration to work on the projects and it’s also an intention for our family for the last 10 years my daughter had some health issues when she was born and she’s striving in a warm climate so we also wanted to go to a climate where it’s always a certain temperature so um

yeah we’re moving and i’m looking forward to it yeah so what is is it exciting you or is it are you looking forward to this peace of mind that you have there what what is it that’s first and foremost well um it’s first of all it’s also getting out of the system that we are in right now um i have problems with the way things are going here right now and i want to opt out of the system want to go to a more relaxed environment where there’s no much so much push whereas more things are more in flow

with with with nature with with the climate and stuff so it really excites me to to go to an environment where i feel more freedom freedom is one of my main values and what i believe to find there for me and my family is a lot of freedom of yeah a new new way to to live with each other it’s interesting how more people are looking for this new way of living for me myself here it’s well we’re in the forest and for me it’s like it feels like a safe place it’s very close to my home with the awake origins

office and it feels like okay i’m okay here for the next couple of years but this is already of course the next level that you’re taking here yeah and you’re mentioning your project what are you going to work on we’re working currently on a swarm organization so it’s a digital platform next-gen platform where it’s not about dividing people polarizing people but uniting people so in my work i always compare technology with biology and if you look at biology it’s all about merging or uniting cells and

empowering those cells and i think technology should do the same for human beings so unite them and empower them so we are uh looking at principles in nature so if you look at nature we see swarms so until 50 individuals so swarms of birds or fishes ants mammals fish for example and if you look at those those swarms they’re always in flow so that’s a characteristic of nature it doesn’t take any effort to to behave and to change their shapes and to to adapt to the environment and if you look at our traditional organizations or

hierarchical organizations it costs a lot of effort to to adapt and to adapt to the environment and to fit into the environment and in nature it always fits seamlessly in the environment so i’m inspired by nature and we want to create an a platform that helps people to work and to collaborate in a swarm like a sort of larger organism a super organism and we want to use the power of nature to align people from their own intention from their own purpose and so that that we create an ecosystem where everyone can do their

own thing follow their passion and everyone is empowering each other like in an orchestra so every player in the orchestra has his own instrument and he can plays on instrument because someone else is doing his part from his own passion and we believe that working together collaborating in a professional way also but also in a more communication with each other should behave in the same way so it should be like some kind of ecosystem where everyone can thrive and i we think the technology is now at

a level with blockchain technology artificial intelligence to create the kind of swarm for human beings and basically when you enter that swarm it’s like a lifetime journey so we do all kind of self-tests to determine your values your skills uh your purpose your intentions all these things to place you within the right constellation of people so that you can thrive there so it’s a lifelong learning engine basically so it’s not working anymore it’s developing your own potential and become the maximum of what you can

be and so it means that there’s the opposite of becoming this cyborg like star trek and when you where you also have one super organism but it’s just there’s no authenticity anymore no it’s it’s um the law of the shawarmas also all equals benefit all benefit equally and profit profits equally and also feel the same pain but by keeping your own authenticity and i think so you can participate in the whole by being your fool yourself for 100 so and your environment respects you for who you are and i think that’s the

complete opposite of the traditional organizations that we have today you go to school you become some accountant or a lawyer or whatever and then you fit in some kind of cube within organization and and then you do the work the rest of your life with a lot of stress and we think that organizations should adapt to you so who are you how can we help you to to thrive to follow your purpose and that’s basically the intention of the platform and um oh yeah we’re constantly looking at nature so we try to define universal principles

so how does the body work on a cellular level how do these how do these cells communicate with each other how do birds within a flock communicate with each other and it’s like a holographic principle and we want to copy that into technology and help people globally so it’s a global platform to start to have impact on a global skill from their own passion as an individual so it’s a big project i think we’ll be exactly for the next 10 20 years perhaps but uh yeah i’ve also very strong vision and working with people who are also really

excited also fully in line with nature and what happens there and we want to transform that to technology and what is then the gateway on an individual level to understand yourself i think self-reflection truly understand yourself we guide you through a set of self-tests also educate you what does it mean to have a purpose what is a purpose what are values all these things and by doing these tests you get a result you get feedback from from the system but also from people around you in a swarm so it’s constantly a reflection to the

environment back to you and i think that process is like a feedback loop and when feedback loop becomes shorter you learn faster if you have a private coach or a private trainer you have constant feedback then you learn much faster than you are in a group with with 20 or 100 people so and this platform is basically a reflection of yourself so if you look at a swarm each fish looks at seven fish around him it’s um and the fish in the in the circle also look at seven fish so uh it’s a constant mirror around

yourself that’s to show your your inner world and by by entering the mirror which is 360 degrees all over then you get a constant feedback about who you really are so you can say a but people see b and the self-test will give you a much better picture of who you really are it’s like a mental selfie so you get a more the level of consciousness that you have um all these things the emotional struggles that you have in your head in your in your yacht for example in your early days how are they limiting you today so i

think all these tests and systems will help you to evolve as human being and i think that’s the ultimate long-term happiness that you can uh create for people so what would you envision what kind of people will participate in that swarm because not in my experience not everyone is ready to have a mirror and at least not certainly not to have a continuous mirror of course within a wake origins this mirroring is also going on all the time but it’s not for everyone yet no no so for who is it and who not on

the global scale um i think right now it’s perhaps for five ten fifteen percent of the people so people who try to seek or to look for a different way of of organizing their life to have more authenticity to become more autonomous for those people who want to organize and to stand up against the system that we see today which is roll out globally those people uh need some kind of effective way to organize and i think this platform will help them to to do so so there are many initiatives worldwide with small groups of people

who want to create a different kind of society create a biological food supplies a different kind of money different kind of society and democracy and this platform will help people to make decisions on a collective skill so it’s it’s an alternative for for platforms like facebook and this this platform is more for people want to have trust to build trust to build relations on on the long terms so that’s basically the the target audience for for for the beginning of the platform but later on when the platform becomes

an ecosystem on its own more and more people will enter because eventually if you look at the muscle of pyramid we just passed the tipping point in the pyramid the bottom layer is all about deficiency needs so food shelter energy those things and we are now entering the top level of the muscle of pyramid which is about growth needs so when people lose their jobs because of automation artificial intelligence robotics or universal basic income it doesn’t matter then the bottom of those muscle pyramids for those

people is covered so they start to feel some kind of need for growth personal growth so i think earlier sooner or later people will cross that tipping point and then they will be ready to enter that platform so if you look for personal growth and reflection then this is the place for people to be and as long as you are in the deficiency you need part of that muscle of pyramid and then you’re not a fit but i think sooner or later everyone will yeah and well when you look at what’s happening currently so there’s

lots of transformation happening across the world many things are happening which you can look differently at and then there’s a new rule out of a system you’re mentioning and you’re saying okay with this we can give structure organization to let’s say the more conscious people conscious creators yep and i feel this is lacking right now do you agree yeah yeah this is happening we want to offer conscious people to to unite and to to unite their energy into one bigger flow of energy and to create a new

system so don’t fight the old system but create something new that makes the old obsolete and then i always look at nature and the cells have been here for hundreds of millions of years perhaps billions of years and they have already solved all the problems that we still have to solve as a society so if you look at societies of cells how they solve a transformation a very good example of that is how the caterpillar transforms into the butterfly and it’s really nice story that i think has many parallels

or correlations with what’s happening today in our society so you have a caterpillar which is basically the bottom layer of the muscle pyramid it’s lifts from its deficiency needs food food food so by the end of his life it’s eats 200 times his own weight and it also starts to eat poisonous toxic leaves then it becomes a cocoon and the outside of the cocoon becomes very stiff very rigid but the inside becomes a liquid soup of cells and i think that’s happening today so we are coming out of this consume

consumption-like society and we see that our world is breaking down and everything doesn’t work anymore so we need to go to a different system so we’re now entering the cocoon phase what i think so we see at the italian technocratic outside which is becoming harder every day new rules new regulations all things become mandatory which were free choice 10 years ago but the inside becomes polarized individualized it becomes a liquid soup of individuals we see that more and more people start to lose their jobs we see

brexit we see all kind of dividing so it becomes a soup of a nutritious soup that is the foundation to build something new and what happens then in that cocoon is very important we see imaginary cells and these imaginary cells are cells that already have the blueprint of the butterfly so they are strange guys asking strange questions building strange systems and they are not understood by the majority so what the majority does the the rest of the liquid cells which is mostly the caterpillar they start to

attack these imaginary cells and these imaginary cells as a result start to unite in larger groups in communities because if you are a collective then it’s way harder to attack being attacked and then they start to build a new system they start to resonate and they start to speak the same language these cells and they become imaginary disks which are almost limbs of the butterfly and they start to connect with each other with all kinds of networks and a part of the caterpillar is being recycled like the nervous

system the digestive system the rest is completely deposed and rebuilt and then at a certain level there is a trigger moment and at the trigger moment a lot of cells die within the cocoon they are not able to make the jump from a caterpillar to the butterfly and the cells that are not yet part of the imaginary cells but are in between they switch and they become part of the butterfly and then the next phase is to break out the cocoon so if you help a butterfly to come out of cocoon it becomes paralyzed it cannot

fly it doesn’t have the strength to fly so we need to break out of that cocoon to develop the strength to fly and to to go into space and and do wonderful things so start to fulfill our growth needs and i think that’s exactly what is happening today so we are in the cocoon phase that cocoon will become stiffer harder much more uncomfortable in the next few years but on the inside we will see new systems are being built so it doesn’t help you to fight cocoon the government or the outside system because if the cocoon uh there’s a

breach in the cocoon then all the contents will die so the cocoon is there to facilitate the transformation phase towards the butterfly and that’s i think that’s exactly what’s happening today we have consumed 200 times our own weight and therefore we now have a buffer to survive to the next phase so we get free money from the government there are all kind of things to help people and this will help us to to make the transition a lot of people are now working from home and they ask themselves okay i was

working with the bank or large institute or government it didn’t feel quite well but now i’m home and i can choose to do what i want to do i have more freedom and more and more people start to feel that separation from the old system so i think it’s already in process but i think it will take some extra years to to get to that breakout point at least five six years from now and until that we have to uh into that moment we have to build a new system i think all the energy that we have we should put in that new system and not

fighting or resisting the old and that’s very hard also for myself in the beginning of this gopher crisis i feel a lot of resistance because freedom is one of my most important values and freedom so you try to fight the system but it’s not a real thing the good thing to do we have to build a new system that makes the old system obsolete and in technology that’s always the case tesla doesn’t fight the old automotive industry no it creates something new that makes the old automotive industry obsolete and i think

that’s what we need to do we need to disrupt the current system of building something new have you been able personally to turn that resistance to a point of being grateful for what is happening or is that a bridge too far yeah yeah absolutely at a certain point in time i i also always made the comparison with nature and we need to go through this it’s a natural process as uncomfortable as it might feel but i think we need to go through this to make the transition if you look at the world that we have

today it’s unsustainable and we need to go to a sustainable world to a complete regenerative world like nature is and the gap between those two worlds is so immense that we cannot bridge that by doing something different we need to have a very deep crisis and so i see this crisis as a blessing and if you look at china the the the sign for an opportunity and a crisis is in china exactly the same so it’s how you look at it so it’s all about mindset and i think that’s the most important thing people need to develop a different

kind of mindset and see this crisis as an opportunity to build something new from our own values and from our own way of living i think you and i have many people around us who are working on these new initiatives and and new systems but it’s still of course a very small percentage of the whole population and early you said earlier said five to six years before we get to a certain tipping point what what what will be happening in those five to six years i think it will get worse uh what we already see

more totalitarian systems more technocratic systems i think the whole testing society that is being built in the last months is is the basis or the foundation for some kind of social credit system so we think if you have someone some kind of world government and that’s i think family where we’re going to they cannot rule the world from the way that you do it today so you need technology to track people and and see where they meet what you’re talking about and in that way you can control uh society and i think we will see more

of that so if as long as we look at our governments for solutions for this crisis we will see more control because that’s where governments are designed to do they are designed to to control people and so if they’re in a crisis situation they will do that even more and i think in the next five years we will see an increase of that more control more surveillance more tracking tracing of people all our liberties will be taken away until a level people don’t accept it anymore and i think that group is is growing

and now like any every exponential development in the beginning it looks like a linear development so you see very small increases but at a certain level that’s called the network effect we see an exponential increase so more and more people’s other chunks that become awake and aware of what’s happening become larger and larger and larger and at that moment in time i think then we are near the tipping point in 2027 so then the i think about 1 billion people worldwide will have a level of consciousness a level of

awareness and start to see what’s happening and start to consciously spread that to the rest and if you look at the hype curve you have the the familiar height curve and it starts with the innovators the early adapters and then we have the majority um that’s about 11 or 12 of the total population you need to have to to get the majority to switch and then you have the laggers and they don’t switch because there’s nothing else to choose from and our people will never switch they will never switch until you cannot buy a

smartphone or whatever phone david they will switch to smartphone if you can buy an old nokia anymore but i think we need to reach that critical mass in the beginning of 10 to 12 percent and if we have that on a conscious level then we can make a switch because these people are scattered all over organizations within governments within commercial organizations within society within municipal within cities and if we have then a critical mass then we see that the message will spread even faster and

then to go to the top that’s only a couple of years time this is actually what well what i’m working with with origins is i think it’s the same thing to get to this uh at least 10 percent level of awake creators to get into that switch why 2027 how do you know how do you know uh yeah i i if i look at my model and i extrapolate that model um then we look at seven waves of technological uh disruption and can you share a little bit about that model uh what i found out is that if you look at the development of cells towards

organisms so the first single-celled organisms toward human beings society of cells they went to seven disruptive waves so in each wave to develop new systems new tissues new organs to create a new kind of organism and it started with multicellular organisms with coral for example which is the prototype of our bones in the second wave we saw warm like organisms which are the prototype of our digestive system of our vascular system in the third wave we saw jellyfish-like organisms which are basically the

prototype of our nervous system then we saw dinosaurs so reptile is that basically the prototype of our brain stem our reptile brain then the mammals which is our limbic brain our social brain our mammal brain and then the sixth wave was about a new cortex brain and the seventh wave was about to prefrontal cortex wave and each wave result in new systems that helped us to become more aware of our environment adapt more easily and that way we could survive and what we see today is that these seven waves are repeating themselves but

now it’s not about cells using biology to create organisms it’s about sapiens homo sapiens using technology to build organizations but we move through the same waves and we have the same problems and we solve them in the same way and we are now at the sixth wave which is the ai in the cloud wave which is comparison comparable to the the new cortex brain in our as also the the ai in the cloud for our body and and these waves what you see is that always new technologies are being used by the ego first for cruise missiles for example so

the first gps sensors were in cruise missiles that fly into bunkers in iraq but now we have gps sensors in our smartphone helping us to do good things and to navigate and do everyday things and so each wave is always misused by people in control it’s for them it’s a tool to have even more control now we are entering the sixth wave which is about robotics and artificial intelligence so in the first few years they will misuse this technology against us to have even more control so with facial recognition with ai you can track a

whole country with everyone inside of it you can track how they spend money and all these things so i know as you see a tipping point so in the beginning people use this technology and at certain time it switches from the echo to the ecosystems and that’s because it becomes very cheap and abundant and then everyone starts to use it and then it’s used for for the good of humanity and if you calculate that you can see uh the end of the ai wave is around 2027 and that’s what i think is there will be

a shift in in how we use the technology and it’s extreme powerful technology even more powerful than the atom bomb and if we use that against the ruling class then they’re gone within days i think it’s that’s powerful and another way i’m really sensitive already since childhood for things to happen and i had some insights a couple of years ago during a retreat how was it as a child to have then strange i was not understood by my environment and i was gay give an example know it it’s it’s uh it’s a gift but it’s also uh um a

burden um you know things when they hap they will happen you try to warn people but they don’t listen and they make a mistake and you have the feeling that you have could prevent that so you have knowledge of things that are going to happen but you try to convince people to to listen to you this will happen but they don’t listen and they walk into a war or whatever and then you have the feeling it’s my fault because i could have prevented it but later on in life i started to realize that people have to learn themselves becoming

consciousness i cannot do that for you you have to do it yourself you have to make mistakes you have to learn from those mistakes you have to reflect with the mirrors and then you increase in consciousness so um yeah as a child and you feel it or you see it or it’s a combination of both uh no it’s annoying it’s very hard to explain it’s it’s more like seeing patterns or efficients so i’m very bad at language i’m dyslectic reading and writing is a big issue for me and therefore i developed my visual

sight and that’s also how i communicate with people in my presentations but also how i see things so i can see something and it takes me a year to write it in a book to make it understandable for for in human language and when do you see it is it happening when you’re taking a walk when you’re sleeping or how does it work when i wake up i think the first 10-15 minutes of your day you’re in the alpha state the gateway to your subconsciousness so you are a conductor when you’re in the shower when you’re in the woods uh when

you’re in flow when you’re skiing surfing so we’re in here and in the now and as more as you are in being in the present so practicing presence is for me also a daily exercise everything every after i want to grab my smartphone i think okay practice presence here and now so not reading about all the things happening in the future or in the past but here and now how do you do that practicing presence feel breathe feel your body feel your senses experience what’s happening in your environment and

that’s also why i moved to near a location near the sea so i can surf every day and be part of the water part of the flow so i’ve been talking about about catching the next wave for the last five years in my keynotes and now i want to embody that so i want to be in that wave in that moment in that flow every day as as many times as possible at least you’re not afraid for an overdose of visionary things no i think we could need that right now especially in the project that we are working on and and those

universal principles it’s very hard to understand those but you can see them in nature and you have to be conscious of what’s happening in nature how cells communicate on on a cellular level and i’ve been a hollow a holographic or have stated and a practitioner of bio feedback technology and therefore i know a little bit how cells are communicating with each other using biophotons using light and these principles we also want to use them in the platform and and to understand these principles you

have to be in a very relaxed mode if you’re too much in the push mode too much in your head in an academic mode then you you you cannot understand it you have to need to have or you have need to develop a holistic view on on things that’s also my whole book my whole keynotes are based on a more holistic view because if you widen your angle of view then you see how the big system is working how nature solves these problems and they’re almost always very elegant and very straightforward nature doesn’t do

anything obsolete so so you need to be in a holistic state of mind and i think being in your body being in here and now then you see things as they are you experience so you always had that capacity as a child already and now you’re pushing a little bit further by consciously bringing yourself in the present moment yeah i had that since since childhood for example i was at a birthday and someone gets a lava lamp it’s a lamp that gets a molten liquid with all kind of colors and i said 12 o’clock

tonight this thing will explode and everyone drinking beer and exactly at 12 o’clock and second bang the ding explode everyone looking at each other what’s this and they move on but they still refer to it and that was unconscious so i said it i don’t know why i said it but it came true and since the thing with my daughter i started to trust on my instincts because it helped to save our daughter’s life and therefore i get became more familiar with with the skill and now i try to practice it by being

more present because i know that is the key to stay connected with with the field the quantum field the source field whatever you call it uh to get those insights you don’t you don’t get them from a book or from it’s pure insights that you’ll have in a moment in the shower when you wake up when you’re in the woods when you’re aligned and in this way for you also 2027 yeah yeah yeah i had an insight about this year uh that we will have a moment where one billion people are start to resonate as one big

organism and basically it’s the heartbeat of humanity we will see the first heartbeat and it’s also a medical term for that and i’m working on a movie a sensation and a functional sensation is when the cells what do you say what does that mean it’s a medical term for cells who start to collaborate together as one system and it happens in your heart muscle so your whole heart is beating like one system all the muscles are acting in the same way but they’re our own are all own sovereign cells so when a child is conceived and in a

womb um certain heart cells start to develop and they start to beat before it’s even hard and that’s a functional sensation so and i think that’s also will happen we are also in a kind of womb if you look at the earth that humanity we see different cells heart cells now they start to beat but they have to become one tissue and that’s what i believe that will happen in 2027 that we will have our own heartbeat and that we are moving from thinking in an academic way from our heads towards more heart based society and that’s when we

will see the switch i think that will be amazing absolutely yeah and there’s a knowing your experience and knowing when you saw this happening yeah i went into this retreat in portugal with the question what’s my purpose because i’m speaking to people but this is really my purpose and and what do i have to do i’m always in this push mode because you see something that’s going to happen and you want to run to it to to fix it and the message that i got out of this retreat was the only thing that you have to do to

make this happen in 2027 is be yourself design now how do you say it being yeah being that’s the only thing you have to do so that’s what i want to practice also in bonaire yeah you can do it by being in nature um and i think that’s the shortest route to to get there but it feels like if you look at from a traditional perspective it looks like a very slow way to get there but i think it’s the fastest way to get there by being in in harmony with nature you get insights and these insights i can use them

in the platform and basic principles and then we can build a platform and strange things happen now in these days people come towards me and and offer me huge amounts of money to build a platform uh so it’s it’s a very strange how these things work some synchronicities are happening yeah and early days i have to earn them those money myself to to build it but now you see everything comes on its way when you need it when you’re ready for it so uh yeah how would you describe your move to bonaire right now which is

of course a major transition to to take yourself out of a certain context and bring yourself into a new one if it well if you would call it a chapter heading what is this new phase in your life that you’re going into right now uh chapter of alignment of being flow uh deeper in a journey i think um and a lot of people say to me oh don’t you think it’s scary because you leave all your things behind your car your house your your social environment but yeah it’s not scary because the thing that i’m familiar with is this in my family

so i don’t leave this at this moment so it’s not scary for me so i think the chapter will i think the title of the chapter will be being or flow something like that nature alignment with nature and translate that into technology and how does this work with you that a decision like this comes into fruition so at a certain point in time it comes to you you see it you feel it or is it how does it start i felt that since since my daughter was born we wanted to move to ibiza but it was too permanent for my wife

and we want to buy this something and live there some ecological thing with our own energy on water these kind of things and uh bonner was a more uh safe choice for now because it’s temporary and and so i i was for the last years convincing my wife that this was a good choice also what’s going to happen in the world and in the next few years months and at a certain point you also start to feel it and then it was a no-brainer so we made our decision and everything from there on went in flow so finding a home there finding a school

for the kids leaving all the old stuff behind and it feels like a release so leaving all the material stuff behind it’s also a bit of ego what you leave behind perhaps um old material world and it feels very free so we are now in the process of making choices do i keep it do i take it with me or do i give it to some poor people in poor countries or and that’s a very um uh liberating process and and and what they say with the great transformation you own nothing you’ll be happy i actually believe that

the more things you own the more things end up owning you so if you uh if it’s there it’s okay but it doesn’t determine how you feel and if you can leave that behind i think that will help you to make other decisions to be more free because the more things you have the more things start to push you in a certain direction if you have a big house you have a mortgage if you have a big car you have to pay that and it drives you in a direction that smells like money more money or more pressure and if you leave that behind then you

can make different kind of choices a few weeks ago my car broke down and i brought it to the dealer and they said well you have to wait a couple of weeks before you get a before it’s fixed it didn’t charge anymore so i thought well let’s not take a car i will do without a car for a few weeks just go to the office with on my longboard or on a bike i don’t really like biking by the way but and then i did this and it felt so i felt so free because of it we my girlfriend and i even decided well let’s get rid of one of our two cars

because we don’t need two and i know it helps me to hike through the forest to the office instead of going with car one car is enough so the simplicity of life is becoming bigger and i can already feel the level of joy is rising because it helps me to be in nature more and i’m it’s harder for me to go away to a place where i know i will not find it because it’s all in the present moment yeah i think so our alignment um being a light is is uh leaving material stuff behind because it makes you heavy yeah in all kinds of

ways so yeah travel light yeah great you shared with me before and you really triggered me with this uh the three things that tesla was talking about yeah can you can you share this what what this is about yeah i had nikola tesla uh said if you want to understand the universe you have to understand frequency uh vibration and energy um so and that’s also the basic principle of the swarm platform that we are building today so everyone has a frequency an energetic frequency your values your skills

your soft skills your your intention your purpose all these things that made up you is basically a frequency and what is frequency frequency is basically your fingerprint your your um your if you are an instrument your your tone how you sound so all the how your uh if you have a guitar the the type of wood that you use the kind of metals that you use all determine the sound of the instrument and that’s for every instrument true so basically all those variables that we have collected are collected during our lives determine

how we sound who we are and if you can capture that in some kind of using self-tests or profiles you can start to resonate with other people so the platform starts to look for other people who have the same intentions the same values perhaps complementary skills so together you create a small ecosystem and if you collateral collect more people then you create a bigger ecosystem and the bigger the ecosystem the more you can focus on who you really are you have a smaller role but you the draw is more deep and

if that resonance happens and it happens also if you have so that’s the second thing resonance resonance yeah so if you have frequencies the same frequencies they start to resonate with each other this also happens within the caterpillar already in a cocoon so cells with the same frequencies start to resonate start to attract to each other and that’s also happening in your daily life you meet people and they have a click and then you resonate with someone but what if you could accelerate the process that you could

met people all over the world that you have never met before of that you will never met but the system will bring you together because based on your resonance then you can create communities from a natural flow from a natural energy basically and when there’s resonance energy is transferred so if you have a glass of wine for example and a speaker and that wine glass has a specific resonance frequency so at that frequency that it starts to resonate and if you put that tone on the speaker then you can make the

the glass resonate and if you increase the amplitude of that signal then the glass will shatter because energy is transferred from the speaker to the glass so if you have two people who are resonating with each other or a thing and people so a specific task and a group of people if they resonate then energy is transformed in form of communication funding energy in the form of new ideas new initiatives and then the third step is energize people so help them to collaborate on a global scale so these three principles we use them

and you see them everywhere in nature so your long cells are resonating with each other die therefore they form long tissue we see it on a molecule level aluminium molecules resonate with each other and therefore they form a solid metal we see that everywhere in nature and we want to use these principles as a foundation of the platform so resonance is i think the main the most important thing and therefore if you want to have resonance you need to have the frequency so we need to do all kinds of tests but also

not what you put into the tasks of what you put in your profile but what other people think about you because that might be different because you have a bias you see the world different than other people and all that is collected by the algorithms and it will help to make you more whole and the more whole you are your profile the better you can be matched and the better matches you’ll encounter i think it’s synchronicity on steroids so you will encounter more people more situations that are exactly what you need at that moment

what you’re saying now helps me to understand also the well we have a scan within origins i told you about yes and the scan measures your energetical blueprint which is then frequency a few years ago we did a pilot in a in a city in which we measured the frequency of certain restaurants and when people filled out the skin we could predict whether you would we’re going to like being in that restaurant or not because what you are missing within yourself could be fulfilled by the environment and the other way around

yeah and so it’s very exciting to that matching of people or whole groups of people or organizations and we’re able to do that also with the work that you’re doing yeah yes yeah it is on steroids yeah absolutely absolutely i think your personal development will go much faster because you meet exactly the right people the right situations the right tasks that match your state of being where you are right now and therefore we also develop the future proof test so we test in what level of consciousness someone

is and we try to offer tools and and tricks uh which are at your level or perhaps a little bit above to create a little bit of stretch and if you do that you can always meet people where they are so it’s not good or bad there’s no opinion of our label but everything is okay so if you meet people where they are and you put them between other people which are perhaps a little bit more conscious then they level up it’s like cells if you put a six cell between healthy cells in a petri dish that six cell becomes healthy because

the environment has sought to resonate with the environment so if you can create constellations of swarms of people with a certain level of consciousness or skills and you put people there which are perhaps on the bottom of that spectrum then they level up and perhaps they become the better ones and then the better ones skip to the next group and so it’s a continuous flow of energy into into the swarm so you’re you’re bringing structure into expanding your consciousness absolutely and also creating a

collective collective intelligence in that way because what we see is that a swarm is also a neural network and if you look at our brain for example it’s also a neural network and the intelligence is not in the neurons but in the connection between those neurons so it’s about emotional intelligence how do how they are connected and this is also what we want to create in a swarm of people so the better the connections are the higher level of emotional intelligence the more information flows between two

nodes in the in the network and if you have a network which there’s full trust because everyone is at a higher level then you see collective learning and group learning social learning starts to emerge and that’s a kind of yeah collective intelligence as you will so the swarm will become extremely intelligent and at the max planck institute in germany already did a lot of research into these swarms in nature what they found out is that these swarms are 95 to 99 more effective in solving problems or avoiding danger

than individuals so if you look at individual ant for example it has no it has a couple of neurons but that collective ants is capable to build entire cities and find food and and supply chains and all these things so we need to tap into that kind of intelligence so this can totally change the way we create together absolutely absolutely how how do you envision it can change the way we live because when you’re bringing people together who have this resonance with each other will that mean that people start to live

in communities or well for more more more and more people start to work remote so i didn’t live all over the world do you have uh do you see something that will be happening here in the next let’s say 10 to 15 years um it’s already happening a little bit but what i think is that um if you resonate with other people you can meet online today is that using app or zoom or or teams in the near future we’ll have holographic technology so we’ll have a conversation like this and i my brains cannot tell if you’re real

there or you’re in america or australia so i think that will also blend how many years before we’re there i think five or six years from now you already have these technologies i think they’re more too expensive and not yet abundant available but when they become better and cheaper like the first smartphone and smart one that we have right now it’s a huge difference so we now see technology and they predicted in 2025 it’s it’s a 20 billion dollar industry already holographic devices so five six seven years from now we will

enter uh the seventh wave which is all about holographic technology um the metaphors so the internet is not a flat thing on your screen anymore but it’s everywhere around it’s it’s a holographic layer on top of the real world and that will totally change the way we interact with people and how we live i think the the difference between working and living will will disappear and it’s already happening in kofi right now because people work from home between their family in their trusted environment

so they don’t experience it at work anymore as they did before in traffic jams in cubicles subtle these things and i think when we move towards more holographic technology that will even disappear and if you start to do work in the swamp that is purpose driven then it doesn’t feel like work anymore um so i think that that will be a dramatic change so you will be busy with your lifelong development your personal development and the fruits that come out of that development is the economical or societal

impact that you have on the environment it’s your currency almost so we’ll have a complete different way of living i think living learning working will be completely integrated into each other you will not make will not be able to distinguish your friends will be your colleagues so i think we will create completely different communities than we have today and perhaps people will move i think borders will disappear at the end we now have geographical borders but in the end and we also see that for the great reset is

that it’s not important anymore so different cultures different religions they want to reset that to one ego same level playing field i think this will also help to create a society where you can live everywhere that you want and moving to bernar is also a step in that direction so everything is digital so it doesn’t matter where we are right now i can do the same thing there so when you talk about a great reset some people look at this positively some people look at it negatively um but in the way you’re talking about it

well it this thing is happening and it has this positive sides and negative sides and it’s just happening you don’t have to have an opinion on it it feels like this is that right yeah i think change is always painful and and it doesn’t matter who ignites that change today it’s the the global elite and and the governments as a result um but i think we need that change if you look at that old world with which we are in right now which is devastating our living environment and you look at that regenerative world

that we should be in the world like nature intended to be that gap is massively so someone needs to take the um authority but also the the initiative to to start a transition and i think that’s what’s happening right now and we need that ellen i think it’s important that that we take charge of the transformation process halfway through and if we don’t do that we end up in a totally dithetarian technocratic society but i think halfway we will change and they will start the transition and we will end it if we do it that way and

then then we can create a society which is beneficial for everyone and not for a happy few so i think we need it it’s it’s a it’s a natural process and it’s unpleasant and therefore it’s also important to be aligned with who you truly are if you grab yourself to the systems that we have and those systems collapse then you also collapse but if you are your own rock your own steady you know who you are why you are here then it’s not scary because you know what your task is right here so i think that’s why so important for people to

to start it in a journey and to start to discover who they are and the moment when you find it you never find it exactly but when you are on the right direction at the right part then you’re not afraid anymore of that world that is collapsing because it’s not impacting you you do not identify yourself at your job with your organization with your status exactly how do you look at the integration of this holographic reality and let’s say the real world of being in nature which is of course also a tendency

that’s happening that more and more people start to connect with nature also like you are doing now so how can we live in those two realities at the same time will we see people who choose one or the other uh how do you look at that well the first big question is what is reality yeah is this reality that we are living in is it not some kind of holographic construct i believe so i’d really think that we are in some kind of simulation um and if you look at the quantum physics and quantum how that works

if consciousness observes something then it materialize in particles if it’s not observed then it stays a wave then it’s information so everything that we see as a collective materializes because we have we have observed it in that way so i think that technology eventually will be obsolete because we start to understand how reality works and we will be able to manipulate that reality by shifting our intentions and in old lectures they say if you believe it you can you can move a mountain for example i really

believe that it’s possible but if you you need to create that kind of um level of consciousness because if you are um yeah how do you say that if you if you truly believe that something changes then it also manifests in your life if you practice that you see it every day around you it’s not a coincidence anymore so if we start to learn that then we don’t need technology anymore so eventually i think technology and nature will merge because technology will become more natural because we start to understand

how technology should be used and we start to use it in a way cells used it to build our our system so eventually if you look at new technologies for example like artificial intelligence regenerative design so we can make designs that look the same like bones so from very organic natural structures we can build new materials which are completely organic that decompose after after a time so we now have the power with ai to create in a different way which is more in harmony with nature and that will help us to to

to reconnect with nature again but that’s a very thin line of course because we also start to manipulate genes for example with crispr class 9 technologies that can both go both in different ways and i think every technology has its benefits but also it’s hits its burdens and i think with holographic technology we will see a massive amount of people who are enslaved in holographic world so they will choose to stay in that holographic world and will not participate in the real world anymore we already see that for

people who are game addicted the addiction that we have for our smartphone and the facebook timeline and these kind of things and holographic technology is even more emerging and engaging and i think that will seduce a lot of people to to stay in that world and to be there and to create a new kind of identity there and eat pizzas and cola in the real world he will have another kind of people who will distinguish themselves from that and start to look at nature more so in between we will have a separation

i think so both worlds will be uh you will have a merger of both worlds but will also be people who are in the extremes of boat we will not meet each other in the real world anymore yeah you have people who are fully offline people people who are fully online and people who are finding a balance because i think if you find a balance then you can use it in the extension of your intentions like your smartphone it can use you or you can use it when you need it and i think that’s a technology is a tool and we should see

it that way so we should grab it when it’s a conscious thing and i think today the opposite is true amid holographic technology it’s become even more seducive to to grab that stuff and to lost yourself in that world okay can you share something about the power of technology when it comes to expanding your own awareness and consciousness like well you talked about the mirrors before what can technology do in your own personal growth concrete yeah i i just encountered a new kind of technology from germany it’s called healy it’s a

small device and it can measure your bioenergetic field and if you are busy with your work or focused on something and you measure yourself that comes up in your app so by becoming aware of that you can change it i truly believe that becoming aware of something a pain or whatever you have in your body that’s also the cure but also the way to increase your level of consciousness if you have stomach pain then you become aware of your stomach and therefore you start to eat differently or you don’t eat at all anymore and then you

start to cure to heal yourself so i believe that technology can help us to become aware so that reflection instant feedback that will help us to become aware of what we are doing and by becoming aware that’s already a growth or step in next level in consciousness and the faster technology becomes like artificial intelligence or holographic technology the more instant that feedback becomes so in the last 60 years we have polluted the ocean with plastics and now we have our plastic soup big problem it’s in our food it’s in our

in our system in our body but with ai we have instant feedback so if you do something wrong it instantly comes back right in your face and that feedback loop will help us to become more aware as an individual but also as a collective so humanity using ii in the wrong ways will be very destructive so we can do it but it will be a very short time and we’ll see the effect and then we will change it so therefore i’m hopeful that new technologies if used by the ecosystem help us to become aware in a much faster

way than we did before simply because the feedback loop becomes shorter and more instant so can this also be a feedback loop on for example the kind of thoughts that you have so in the last 24 hours your thoughts have been about this and becoming aware of it can help you to change your thought and change your intentions so different things will manifest absolutely absolutely what we are trying to achieve in the platform also is for example a smartwatch app that will ask you when you have today how many times

have you been in flow today because flow is one of the properties i think of being in purpose so if you’re fully inflow so it can help you to create some kind of habits and that this is simply because you can look at your heart rate if your heart rate is very relaxed then perhaps you’re in a kind of flow state if you’re very stressed then you’re not in flow because you’re swimming against the current and i think with the technologies that are already there open water is a company like that so they use

a reflection of laser light inside of your head and they can read your brains on a neuron level so you don’t have to have a chip like a neural link from eel musk but you can have wear a soft hat for example and they can almost see on a picture level what you are thinking about and this technology they can see what you are thinking about with pictures yeah if you imagine a picture of a pink elephant for example the on the computer screen you see a picture of a pink elephant so they are already at that level and it

only becomes better using ai and better sensors and chips etc and it will become cheaper and it will become abundant and then for a certain level you can use that tool to become aware of your thoughts i think as an average person has 20 or 30 000 thoughts every day if you become aware of that then you can start to work on that you have thoughts about this those are negative and negative and then if you become aware of it then you can change your thought and technology can help you to do that and at a certain level you

don’t need it anymore because you are fully aware of it yourself i think therefore technology is always the tool to get you at a certain level and certainly you don’t need it anymore so because some people when they hear something like this will say holy that’s scary and you said before technology is always first used for ego and then for ego so there will be a phase we will have to go through in which it will not help us actually yeah and how do you look at that when it comes this is about something that comes so

close uh to someone yeah yeah uh klaus schwab had a recent interview where he told that everyone should have a brain scan before entering an airplane so i want to i want to know your intentions on itself it’s so that’s ego that’s the ego part yeah a control part the other part is that you can use it to to communicate on a much wider bandwidth than we do today for example so now we are communicating with uh with whatsapp and email and all kind of artificial ways of connecting but what if he could connect

on a on a physical level holographic but also on a mental level so you have much more bandwidth to connect with other people that’s that’s the the upside what you see for example that facebook is already uh researching these kind of technologies so when you have your holographic mask there will also be some kind of brain sensor included and now they know where you’re looking at on a website which kind of ads but then they know what you’re thinking about and facebook is already building they have 20 000 data points of each

individual on the web and they already can predict what’s your next move so what product you are going to buy what trip you’re going to book and this is only an extension of that so they they will be able to look inside of your brain and that’s very scary because if you know that if you can do that you can manipulate people even more than you can do today and today you can already manipulate people because they what kind of choices or choices they make online what kind of products they buy but if you can look

inside of their brains then you can be one step ahead of what they are conscious of and then you can manipulate them and then you become a robot basically and then that’s that’s i think a very big number many ways we are we already are when you look at the narratives that are being uh thrown on us yeah yeah if you’re not uh conscious if you’re in the lower level of consciousness then you’re already a robot if you’re sleeping is the the best example of it your body is taking care of everything but many people are in a robot motors

they went to work do their job go to home drink beer watch tv go to bed and then repeat if you become more aware you become more aware of what you’re actually doing what gives you fun and and what you should do basically and i think technology can play a role there but it’s important again that the intention of the builder of the technology is to help people to empower people and to enslave people if you look at the intention facebook is to have as much eyeball time as possible so they want to enslave you if youtube

the same things in the same all these platforms want as much intention attention of you as possible but if you use the platform what we intend to do is to empower you and put you between the right people at the right time then you use it to in line with nature and i think that’s the way that we should go you could reason that everything that we make with technology is something that we already can do ourselves when it comes about having insight in your thoughts that can also be through telepathy but most people

don’t know how to do it yet so how do you look at this like we’re using technology we’re mimicking something that is already somewhere in our being it could it has to be in our consciousness first before we can make it anyway uh is it then an in-between stage in which we use this technology or it will merge in every kind of aspect and it’s just a part of consciousness it’s i think it’s a tool to get somewhere if you look at the seven waves in the first wave we saw bone structures the second wave we saw organisms like

warmth if you look at the waves that we have today in our society in the first wave we were building bone-like structures cities and stone structures to keep us safe so it’s basically an extension of our skin keep a wall around our city and the second wave was about infrastructure so the vascular system so we built oil pipelines in these kind of things so that helped us to pump pump things like fluids or oil over longer distances in a third wave we basically create an extension of our nerve system so send

signals from one place to the other in the world the wave which was about the automation wave the reptile brain is basically an extension of our own reptile brain so we were able to automate all kind of things with software with operating systems and software and now we are the level that’s the ai wave is about learning things and what i see is technology is used to can be used to augment our way of solving problems or being more creative so i think that the more advanced technology becomes eventually it will disappear and we

don’t see this technology anymore because it’s fully integrated in everything that we do and every time a wave is new it’s strange to us and we have to get used to it but you don’t get used to heating your house or buying food or cooking food so these technologies are already incorporated it’s normal so i think that the new technologies will also get there but faster and eventually we don’t see them as technology anymore and they will also disappear so today we have a screen on our desk and a grey box

under our desk we call it a computer that already became a smartphone in your pocket and when we have contact lenses or even we can project neurons or neurons photons in our eyes we don’t need a device anymore so physical things will de-materialize and eventually we will realize that we don’t need it anymore because we are fully equipped to do it ourselves and 3d printing as well we now are able to build a product within hours and a few centuries ago it took years to build something and now it’s faster but

i think in the end we can manifest matter because we have a certain intention but we still have to learn that and and that’s i think where technology is helping us with and when we are able to do it ourselves we don’t need the technology anymore so it’s a temporary stage i think manifest matter through intention how does that work how does intention work i have this intention well i believe that if you look on a holistic level we have an information field and in the way that we observe that information field things manifest in a

form of matter and it’s an unconscious process right now and i think sooner or later we will become conscious of how this works ibm for example is already able to build materializers so they use some kind of vibration to materialize graphene it’s a new kind of material into chips so they don’t do the old weight anymore but they now can materialize something using a certain sound frequencies or resonant frequencies and i think we can also do that because our brain if you look at dr miyoto with the ice crystals if you have a specific

positive intention which is love compassion then if you freeze that drop of water then you see a fully symmetric ice crystal if you put bad intentions into the same bottle of water and you freeze that same drop of water then you have very distorted ice ice fragments so basically it’s already happening without without us noticing it and when we build technology that is receptive for the thoughts that we have so we can tap into the frequencies that we use on a top level on the information level we can materialize things and first we

need technology for that and later i think we can do it on our own and i truly believe that ancient civilizations already were capable of doing that way way yeah yeah and that’s why they could build things that we uh today still not understand yeah um yeah i dived into that as well it’s very interesting yeah what something that’s starting to interest me more lately is the concept of time and of course you have the presence in the present moment in the ultimate present moment there is no time there’s only

the presence and when you’re in a flow state there’s also less experience of time what role can technology play in experience of time well yeah if you are in a flow state time disappears or the the feeling or the experience of time disappears and i think when you’re in flow you’re in connected with with the information fields and then you have the the most possible impact that you could have and i think technology can help us to to get in that moment i think it’s a very narrow bandwidth and if you if

technology can guide you there and you know how to get there and repeatedly like an anchor then we can have more impact because we are aligned and we are connected with the field and we can manipulate that field by setting our attentions so i think technology can help us to become more pure more appearance think the right word and by becoming more pure you are becoming the programmer of the information field and then the information field manifests in matter so i think that that loop of setting an intention

and believing that intention feeling that intention and materialize that in the real world that process some people can do it and become more effective at it but i think in the end everyone can do it and that’s i think the way we can materialize things can it also work when when you sit with someone who is vibrating on a high level as a high frequency you tend to go into a higher frequency yourself as well so your consciousness expands can sound waves through technology through measuring your your energy

help you to go into a different vibration absolutely absolutely yeah i i particularly was researching this part for the movie because we wanted to create an almost a multi-dimensional experience so we want to impact the things that you see but also we want to create frequencies that resonate with your chakra systems or your hormonal systems so that also impacts you on a cellular level so that the impact is immense and what we were trying to achieve with that movie and it’s it’s a long term project but i was

talking to a guy in america he was also playing specific sessions on burning man etc and he’s doctor professor on resonance on simatic so how you can what the communication layer between matter and sound is so i think that with certain frequencies harmonics we can influence our state of being and we can bring our body in a state that is more responsive to like an antenna becoming more aligned with we have sound balls that monks used for example certain ohms certain sounds and the wave model that i explained

earlier before is not only apparent between biology and technology but it also happening on a cellular level molecule level atomic level but also on the subatomic level and also on a quantum level on a wave level so we have seen seven waves of different kind of radiation cosmetic radiation alpha radiation visible light radio waves and eventually the seventh family last wave was about sound and it’s the primal arm so sound set things into motion so i think when sound the frequency of sound was in this

became a part of the spectrum then matters start to occur because i think that’s the key between the intention fields or the information and the material world and i think there there is the if we understand what’s happening there then we can manipulate matter much much faster and personally also looking at simatics if you put a plate with a speaker below it and you put sand on it or grains and other material if you put some harmonic frequencies on it then beautiful pictures start to occur and i believe

also that we can use the technology to create different kind of swarm constellations so if you change the frequency then all the nodes in the network start to rearrange in a different constellation to solve a different kind of problem so i drink that sound and frequency and we use it also to resonate between people we translate someone’s profile into colors and into color into sound and then we can make resonance so we translate in some kind of analog medium and then you can create resonance and then from there on you can work

further on but i think it’s really important key in in all these things understanding sound understanding frequencies harmonics because each seven waves is an octave and each higher octave starts where the last octave stops so it’s it’s it’s like a keyboard of the universe and we start with those seven keys you can play every symphony that you want every song that you want and so yeah i think it’s really key in everything that we do but we are moving towards that faster and faster so i think with ai we can

see patterns that we haven’t seen before and then study those patterns and understand how cells are resonating on a tissue level for example there were healing devices that use also sound to heal from cancer for example so i truly believe that there’s a way a road towards a new kind of devices that can help us to heal our bodies and to become more conscious also in that way because if you all kind of emotions which are on a cellular level stored then there’s more flow and conscious can start to develop itself

what is exciting you the most about living in this time on earth right now well it’s scary and it’s exciting at the same time scary you see what’s happening you’re aware of it and it’s not good if you look at your own values but it’s also i think it’s a unique time never in history of mankind we came at a point where we are right now with so many people on earth so many crises so many issues and so i see a huge opportunity to create a completely new world from the ashes of the old world and you need a crisis you need a wood forest

to create a clean plain level uh field to create a space for new trees to grow uh different kind of trees different kind of plants so i think it’s um we are the turning point uh tipping point in the evolution of our species from becoming a deficiency need driven species towards a growth need driven species and from the caterpillar towards the butterfly and we are aware of that and it’s happening in a very short time frame i really think that cocoon phase that’s one decade i think perhaps it’s some more some less but

and we are witnessing this we are part of it and i think that’s really exciting but it depends on how you look at it for many people it’s uh it’s hell and for other people it’s heaven it’s it’s how do you depend uh how do you look at it do you have your darker days once in a while that you go into the negative side of things or yeah sure if i translate it to my personal life there was an announcement by mcconn that vaccination will be mandatory in france for a lot of people if you want to go to shopping malls

in greece the same and if i see these kind of things i think okay where what will this mean for me if i’m for my family if you’re not in this flow so yeah sure but then i think okay this is this is needed to create the pain that we need to become more aware so uh please more pain sooner and that’s also why we opt out to um i think the netherlands is quite safe where we are right now it’s one of the oldest democracies in the world there are a lot of enlightened people in the netherlands and bonaire is part of the netherlands

so we have dutch regulations dutch law but they’re much more relaxed there so it’s like a soft version of our system here and it hopes that i hope that i can find an environment there where i can step away from the things that give me stress like these kind of things because you’re on an island you’re separate from the rest and then have enough free space creative space to work on on positive things because i admit even even though i know where it’s going it’s it pulls you down on energy level if you look at your linkedin feed you

see all these things and the new clip from heineken for example air at first it was like is this real and then i had a big laugh like you cannot imagine this yeah it’s it’s really but it’s also frustrating and um but i saw the so many negative emotions i am not alone uh god think yeah yeah what would you advise entrepreneurs leaders or people in general how to write the waves of transformation that are coming don’t look outside look inside i think if i look back at my entrepreneurial career or how you call it

um i always thought that i could go faster using this year to push the push and what i now found out is that i can only go faster by slowing down so turn into yourself make it in a journey who are you what is your purpose what’s your passion what are your values start to learn yourself to to know yourself and if you know that better you can make different decisions and you can set intentions which are in line with your purpose and things start to happen automatically so you don’t have to do it from force

but you can do it from your own power and there’s a very nice book force versus power i forgot the name of the author but it’s about that change so many people work from force from raw power which depletes your energy sources and you get a burnout but if you work from your inner source then things go way easier and things go way faster but it feels counterintuitive because you have to slow down and to stay in here and now and if you do that you feel every day what you need to do you don’t have to do lists because you

learn to listen to your body and today it’s a good day to do this and tomorrow i do different things and in the winter i do different things than in the summer so i think that’s the fastest way forward and it yeah so start to make it in a journey beautiful let’s end with that how can people find you where can people find your books or your website my website is www.christianchroma.com i have a youtube channel c h r i s d i a n k r k r o m e dot com and also if you google my name you can find me on

youtube twitter linkedin i have a youtube channel with some keynotes and lectures and and um i also have a master course of eight or nine hours of content which i guide people through all the seven waves from a subatomic level towards where we are right now and also how you can change your mindset to to have a role in that new creating the new world because it’s all about mindset mind shift shifting towards a different kind of mindset so only web google my name and you get multiple pages of all kind of sources great

thank you for this inspiring conversation you’re welcome it was very nice to be here always thanks if you like this video please press like share or comment below for more content about living and creating from your essence subscribe to this channel and of course the awake origins mailing list