my name is Joel in this episode of unplugged I talk to Wim Hof also known as The ican Rim is originally known for his ability to withstand extreme cold he holds 26 world records including one for longest ice bath but he also climbed to 22,000 ft at Mount Everest wearing nothing but shorts and shoes in the last few years whim has become an enormous International success with his wh m method he has been working with universities around the world to prove that his techniques really do work and by doing so he’s changing the way we

think about health care and well-being he teaches his breathing techniques to some of the most successful people on the globe and no wonder personally I believe whims techniques can be very relevant for leaders entrepreneurs and organizations that’s why I visited whim at his home in the Netherlands we had a very joyful encounter in which we discussed many topics where do we start where else could this be than in whims freezer and you do the running inside the freezer yes the running right over here now it’s run is- 22 are you run

like this just rounds yeah I make rounds like 5 K I run like this and halfway I run that because for the knees oh yeah yeah yeah so this is the what I do and what chest what is then your state of mind while you’re doing it really when you when you when it’s- 22 you’re here and you run you you will be confronted with uh the life force within you absolutely nice to meet you nice to meet you man hey it’s great good I’d like to go back to the to to the beginning to your beginning because I understand that even

in your Early Childhood you were trying to answer some existential questions for yourself yes can you tell something about this of course you know as a young kid like all the young kids you look in around in the world you think and television and all that and think suffering pain people die people are not happy I was just inquisitive toward it I asked myself what is happening and I got a Birthright to know what is happening in myself so I W I went in against mainstream who just says yeah what is

happening that is normal and I saw so much disease and so much mental suffering I thought hey man to me you can think that is normal to me it is it’s sick man I’m not going to go surrender to it I’m not going to take that on and that that’s it and that’s my life and then I die hey hell no so began my soul search I began to become a little bit eccentric into philosophies into cultures languages esoteric disciplines practices a yoga Judo a karate all kinds whatever I could get my hands upon psychic hands as mental hands doesn’t

matter and then when I was 17 I remember I got into this morning and I saw a cold water a little thin layer of ice it attracted me I went in and I knew this is it you don’t talk it just shuts up you there in full power triggered by a element of Nature and the cold is really cold freezing but if you are right then you got a opposite force will being activated and that makes it this is my connection with my mind and my body and the call triggers that to get really present in that moment really really

present and at ease so no toughness at ease while a very violent force is upon the body and that makes you feel powerful and from there I got a rush that day and the other day I went back of course again in whenever you feel back it’s like making love and you love it as soon as you’re ready again you go again this is what I had with the cult and really it is a primordial Force Like Making Love if I this morning I was in my freezer uh we can go later I show you like – 21 orus 22 between that and I run

for half hour in the freezer uh in shorts I love it you know why because you are not picnicking you are confronting the primordial power of your body surviving in that cult and you can look at it you meet yourself it’s like a meat locker you know freezer but you meet yourself and that is something different for people who are in corporate business they go to the office from 9: to 5:00 stress themselves up and that line here and that line where’s your Lifeline that is in the freezer because then you recognize who you are what you

are and it cleanses on Cell level all the oxidative stress out of there and then you function a whole lot better all day long so so what do you see when you meet yourself what do you see who are you then you you are able to witness your body like survive it’s not like surviving you are meeting yourself at the brain stem The Reptilian Brain activated to survive and you look at it you look at the the mere existence of your life force then you understand everything you’re simply there past any philosophy p any

speculation you’re there and this is why I’m here it’s there and it cleanses to cell level now it shows that what we have been showing rodbard University uh people injected with the endotoxin a bacteria being able within a quarter of an hour after four days of practice into the cold and breathing they were able to control their innate immune system and bacteria had no chance while the others who didn’t train all the 12 of them got sick and with them 16,000 others with the same endotoxemia model and then suddenly 12 people

trained in this way so simple so effective so accessible they were able 100% score to fent off uh the bacteria’s influence on the immune system system inflammation that is and to suppress it within a quarter over hour that that is what you got and and spiritually spiritually is something like experience it isn’t in words if it is in words then it is poetry trying to grasp spirituality did the words that you read about in your teens help at all is or is it just a physical experience from 7 it directed

me it gave me a certain direction H uh like they all the old scriptures they talk about Enlightenment about spirituality the serpent power this and that and the the the the Puma the Atman the the key the chi and all those things you know but where is it I don’t know and it’s not in the books I tell you it’s right over here and that right over here if you exercise that so simply because it got it was forgotten the churches run out spirituality no it people want something else but they don’t know because they

are alienated from this experience because we fend it off all the elements of nature are outside the houses we don’t live outside anymore we don’t know what that really is anymore but we have a body that is stimulated through the elements of nature developed to be stimulated triggered and to uh uh uh to have a clear answer to adapt adaptation it’s called and that that makes us almost invulnerable in the prehistoric times to need having need for a a hospital uh or a pharmacy because we got our own healing power and and all that

was very shady very ban and all a nice tries and marishi coming to the west and all that and I tell you the the the wise men do not no longer come from the East they come from the West so we got the Poetry but we also got the biochemical uh evidencebased proof to show that it works on the level of the DNA itself I’m doing right now a big study with the San Francisco UF SF uh on 150 people uh on the DNA and one of them uh associated with is a Nobel Prize winner on H the DNA so it’s no joke it’s really coming together this

movement of I and breathing and very important believing that you are the one in charge of yourself and also very able to be in charge of yourself and to guide that and to steer that that now all is coming together through science and and and through this through this window of uh uh what we do we bring it to the people nons speculatively so how I began like 40 years ago or more 45 years ago ago how old are you right now uh 59 59 yeah 59 I’m 59 uh 45 years ago 14 years 13 years 12 years already 12 years even

more 47 years ago and I’m still discovering the mystical power of the elements of nature like this morning I was atus 20 22 I love it and I know and I can feel it cleanses me on self level afterwards I directly I feel a boost but if you go into severe um hortic stressful exercise which is minus 22 half hour or 3 minutes ice bath or cold water swimming what you do then you reset your body to uh uh to the right neurology and neurology is electricity is the nervous system that needs to work and then the outcome of your work will

be a lot better so what what does it say the physiologically we got the answers we have the answers but now spirituality spirituality is nothing more than being uh clean within yourself in harmony with the outside forces called nature the inner nature and outer nature are actually one it’s there only with our mind we we block it so much that stress is happening on Cell level cell biological stress but in the end it is telling the cell biological stress is telling hey go get this stress out and we have to do

and learn this consciously so spirituality deep spirituality there in is going to those levels we thought of they are far out and this is no longer there biological stress DNA telome longevity quality of life all that we are discovering now through science and all these scientists they say uh we have been looking for 10 years uh after mapping out the DNA completely a natural technique to get uh control over our DNA at will and now we found this technique and this is doing it they are into discovering that so spirituality both

spirituality which is like the tribe before is helping each other being there for each other they’re emerging yeah emerging I mean you and me we if we are like a tribe we don’t make tension between us we don’t take advantage of each other because in the long run it creates oxidative stress oxytocin you’re my brother you it’s non sentimental eh it’s you help me I help you we help the whole world yeah and we help ourselves yeah the best in the long run that is the best so you want to live long with

all the quality and the sense of purpose of life be good man be good because they made it so complicated with all kinds of religions philosophies disciplines and yeah dogmas and all those that’s why I went through science and now science say hey these techniques are transformational this will change mental healthare we are in it in that’s Michigan in San Francisco I mean to DNA studies Melbourne we are into retrospective studies of what this method is doing in Hanover we are into the brain scans with the best of uh uh

devices in the whole world here in the Netherlands we do ongoing studies and finish the studies on chronic pain and inflammation spectacular results and and how only by going back back back to who we are and what we are that’s inside with the outside is the same but because nobody believed that nobody went that went there and all the business went crazy just for money the the oceans get polluted and and global warming and this and that because we killing the planet because we don’t give a [ __ ] we just

want money but now our new generations having to deal with our our [ __ ] and that’s nobody wants that if you look a man really in his heart no businessman wants to leave [ __ ] behind nobody is really hedonistic like after us the the the the floods will come Etc nobody is like that only mate that like and another people are not stupid they are just stupified by what by by saying that this is all normal to exploit the world the way we do and not minding about what you do as long as you can get the most of money hey man in the

long run it’s no good and it’s not me telling it’s your body will tell it and your DNA will tell that and you will pay the bill you will pay the bill even though you don’t see it I’m into the studies to show it on DNA level hey that’s because of that oxidative stress how come because you have no purpose if you do not live the purpose of yourself if it doesn’t make sense what you do in life business or not then it gets to you if it is senseless then it doesn’t make contact with you you are not developing you

losing the connection with your heart with the purpose of life with biochemistry and then in the end it creates a residue and it piles up PES up piles up piles up piles up PES up and in the end of life you don’t know [ __ ] and you got a lot of money but hey man no so where do you think it starts to find your own purpose I I would say because we have done all the science I I cut through the [ __ ] I say I tell you you get in the morning with me atus 22 for uh 20 minutes in a freezer -22 in your shorts then you know

the purpose of life itself is to survive to be and to feel strong and to recognize that you got it all already and never going to lose it because our minds make us run run run what do you think that creates a wrong chemistry in our body and it the distance becomes bigger bigger bigger bigger bigger bigger bigger and then you get all these diseases and and and mental uh disorders and and the quality of life W but do you then think that the state of mind that you reach at minus 22 that that State of Mind leads the way for you

understand what lives want yeah you know how because it resets on Cell level nature is going to survive that means all the unnecessary uh cells are going to be killed inside of the body H stem cells are being activated cancer cells are being destroyed because they are not effective to survive and then because the [ __ ] is outter the blockage is unblocked and the water is flowing and your energy is flowing and then you feel you get a boost it’s not a boost it’s just the way you really feel and that is

great it’s like you’re going back to normal yes what you actually are you are going back to Optimum and that there is the spirituality and from there you only have a taste for more more I like this feeling like making love I like that feeling I like that feeling too they go pet Love For Life It’s All About Love For Life yes so what you’re just saying how can you translate this to organizations or to leadership or entrepreneurship yes if we just keep it past the philosophies doctrines dogmas and all that and

beautiful poetry and all just get a freezer going in the morning so you go past your thinking your surface way of thinking creating the wrong chemistry you go you will meet yourself in the meat locker at minus 22 as I said before they have to incorporate this in the corporate uh world this guys you better do it now and do not wait because it’s going to come the collapse of the uh of chronic disease and oxidative stress nobody liks but nobody knows an answer this is the answer this knows how to respond to the nowadays problem so

would you propose to put a freezer in every office every or or get before the outcome of going into the freezer versus not going into it is that your day is not as clear compared to the one who went through the freezer he is clearer in mind and a business like competition you got to be creative you got to be fast in your uh nervous system in the Neurology of your brain I tell you the best way to reset your Neurology in the depth and we got all the depth and the blah blah blah blah blah just half hour minus 22 in the

freezer and you become not only mentally strong but physically too you will feel the purpose of life the Limitless of your mind in feeling and that is something amazing unique and that uniqueness should be felt every day not just on holidays holy days every day you’re raising the bar a bit with your freezer because a cold shower in the morning isn’t good enough anymore I I tell you sometimes I hear these people yeah I take a culture what this more part example I had a little phone call with a guy also business guy but then in

Australia and he wants to kill himself C Showers don’t do it just get get deeper man because whatever sucks you you are able to get it out of your system use the power of nature it’s there we are built to be able to respond in adapt adaptation toward that power and thus the guarantee the flow in the body so go for the real cold yes uh I I would say begin with cold showers because that does already and one of my uh uh friends is a doctor and he did a study on 3,000 people doing a cold shower 30 seconds 1

minute one and a half and no and nothing and the ones who did nothing and that’s in the working field they had a lot uh more uh calls and uh flu during the month of the monthly ice challenge that was that does a lot already and your energy is boosted because your vascular system is being trained but if if you want to go deeper it’s there and I see a a great future for freezers in the world and we will get back to the meat locker not just carcasses of pigs and cows it’s us cool that is cool so in your teens you find out about

the workings of the cold but your method is more than just cold you have breathing techniques as well yes how how did you find out the impact of breathing exactly what what do you do if you go into cold water and at a certain moment after regular going into cold water you become come to the realization that oh we’re breathing deeper is feeling deeper is having sense deeper is having control deeper is changing chemistry then I separated the two of them so first I went into this breathing because of the cold became aware if I do

that I am able to stay longer in cold and direct my body in freezing water and stay for half hour no problem amazing that’s because the breathing we have become very shallow in our breathing because there is no Force upon us we control with our mind the environment so our breathing became very shallow like sneaky shallow and that with the sneaky shallow breathing you don’t feel uh the older cell with the right nutrition with the right chemistry so uh what I did by intuition by Instinct separate the two

bring it home do it at home marvelous marvelous what these breathing techniques uh did to me and my experience to go in in a warm uh place was marvelous marvelous so it appeared also to be in the universities that I train people in a couple of days being able to get into the autonomic nervous system through breathing techniques and so these breathing techniques are very able for people with uh dealing with oxidative uh stress to cleanse it to become very tranquil because if you have oxidative stress resulting uh from a

very uh stressful uh bus business doing and that is a char within it’s electricity man and it’s ongoing with adrenaline and every but we have no control and once begins to gallop like a horse inside and you have no control hey man all your porcelain is is gone all your subtle awareness feeling a nice being it’s gone that’s the spirituality again so how to get a control over the adrenal axis is done by the breathing it’s not only done by the breathing to uh get a control over the adrenal axis it resets the body and then suddenly you

have your innate control at Deep level over your systems that is the endocrine system immune system vascular system lymphatic system it shows now in the uh rbout University also thought of not being able to be accessed uh by humans at will now is we go past the firewalls the the the so-called impenetrable uh areas of the body H we cannot do that at will it happens sometimes no there a whole lot of garbage acidity is being stored but we were not able to get there and now we are able through these breathing

techniques to get past these fire walls and to cleanse it it’s amazing so uh yes uh so effective and so accessible I tell you the freezer is going to take over the world so you’re telling me nature has taught you a lot about yourself and about reality and where we are right now is it still teaching you oh yes the the the nature as the C is a Relentless positive bastard he is always there and you think you know it and then he tells you no man I’m out there you got to look for me it’s mystical it’s

amazing the cold is Mystical power the cold the environment the en we think we can control with our mind oh I know it now I did 26 World Records I did numerous more challenges in the cold in the Everest in kilaras with a lot of people and all kinds of things and then still I don’t know the [ __ ] what is going on with the cold and then when a time I’m not doing it because I think I know it and I get back wow there I get a shot of nature itself and then he man it’s so mystical so beautiful it really needs to be

integrated into our lives because we have a tendency to alienate from the our inner nature what do you like about the process interesting by the way this uh uh composition yes it takes two to tango you know yeah that’s true we need each other yes so what what do you enjoy so much about the process of expanding yourself and going into that cold and man I I think it’s the best drugs ever to expand your Consciousness is the neurology begins to to bind inside that’s what I want I don’t want a a little mind and living

that repetitiously all all the time over and over over I get bored and everybody gets bought only everybody is compromised or what or not doesn’t matter I don’t like it I like to go I like to live I like to live inside and to understand the mystical Power by experiencing but but to further expand your consciousness do you need more extreme situations in the cold or it’s not like that uh not really there are different in the beginning I did a lot of experimenting with my body and mind in nature and then I got into television

things and they began to challenge me I did a lot of records They climbing Mount Everest and shorts or you have 26 right yeah 26 and going under the ice running running in the desert running beyond the polar Circle hanging by one finger staying for two hours in the eyes etc etc etc all those records that is a time it’s like a little child plays with the little things you know and uh and a certain moment that doesn’t attract you as much as my son of seven and a half months he thinks this is Magic it’s a

drawing is energy not yours anymore yeah maybe a little funny thank you and that’s it you know so at a certain stage I was into experimenting with my body then a television came and I performed all kinds of crazy stunts and I did that and then science came in the scientist they saw a man doing things impossible according to science so they began to question and they got into me H began to experiment uh with me that was my next stage and then I I I came to the realization he man I can change the

books I can change what people think is possible into bringing it a real big level higher up and change the Paradigm change the Dogma change whatever our possibilities so there I am and right now I’m ready to Take On The World already with all kinds of uh scientific research all over the world and I love the the scientific scrutiny coming in the critical mass coming in and to reach the critical mass H by critical people because I believe Nature has the answers to all our problems and that that is a

conquest where I am in right now on the other hand I’m also a living person physical so in physicality I’m here with my family I I got a 7 and a half months old baby beautiful and he is beautiful he is amazing he is the purpose of life yes of course that’s a source and for those next Generations I want to do anything to break it open because I don’t want him to be part of the lottery where you can get cancer or depression and nobody knows the answer because a whole Industries depend on us being sick and

nobody is everybody silenced no man the natural medicine it is time for our Neurology in our brain which has 50 years ago brought a rocket to the moon as a fruit of our mind and the iPhones it’s amazing but still we cannot guarantee happiness strength and health I think not to the moon and the lonies inside yeah let’s get back to the Earth to the inner power connect with the earth live in harmony with the Earth and there is the sense the purpose and and the good for our coming generations and I’m just talking sense

with a man as a common common sense the tribe the tribe needs to come back we are no enemies of each other comp competition hey man you go in minus 22 you don’t need competition you get the best out of yourself then you see what kind of ridiculous idea the competition actually is in principle was made to be uh uh with the Spartans and Athens and the Olympics at those times but those times are no longer we are no longer in ability to make war to each other that is what the evolution and nature is

telling us it’s a product of our mind that we are able to make nuclear bombs so get on your bomb and begin to think the a right thing and get back to the core the nuclear of understanding that it doesn’t make sense to fight each other we got to work with each other and the nature natural elements are very able to bring about the best within us not to the moon now right here happiness strength and health and pass that on to to others I totally agree we live in a time where we can really co-create the

reality we want to live in that is a nice acknowledgement because it’s not only me telling this even though I got signs to back me up but it’s common sense I’m talking Common Sense man and I really believe this can be the reality we’re going to live in with each other like uh some sort of Heaven on Earth or something yes absolutely created together oh yeah start with yourself it all starts with yourself not with the politicians or whatever no you have to learn to govern yourself go past the politics of your brain and just feel

good feel strong happy healthy Aaron that’s my woman hey woman no no no the woman I’m in the middle of the interview this my woman she’s from Australia I get it yeah I like the sky blue eyes all of them I I love it I love I love you too man likewise yeah you got a great presence thank you you’re a handsome man thanks yeah keep on go do your good work I will right on I was was wondering because in the last couple of years you’ve begun you have become a big mainstream name I think all over the world if you want to

learn the rim Hof method you can in every big city across the world you have people who are able to instruct other people to learn your methods yes did you ever expect that this was going to happen with your work you know I think I never not expected it not to happen I was always in free thinking so I believe in what I do and that’s where I was and and stay and keep on the way I did for 10 years ago or 20 years ago I got the same belief system so uh I don’t exclude anything that is the difference with me they say be real

keep it real and all that me keeping real no way it’s no way man I just I’m out of a out of it I think this life is too great to not take advantage of all you got and not to think in limits so I think not only to change the books in the world we change the Paradigm we change the universe because it is the the Earth is the most beautiful spot in the whole universe that’s where we are we should live and understand and feel accordingly and that’s where I want to bring it and with that man we are the

Masters of the Universe we will depict and no longer suppress suppress our Beautiful Life Force to become something amazing there we are awesome it is awesome life is awesome so so if you could go 20 years ahead from now where do you want to be what did you achieve a top on or where where you already are because you achieved a lot already Yes okay in 20 years so you’re like you’re 79 then yes no uh yeah 79 there 79 79 yeah I I got a person I have to tell who I met four years ago who was 74 or 75 then and uh he is 79 now and uh he

never climbed the mountain and a year later he climbed the Kilimanjaro with me in shorts H in a rat T and now he is doing it last year this year he did it on his own the kilar the kilar in shorts in a ret time like 30 hours or something h that that that you know H there a l whole lot to come and that right now I’m into the DNA so I’m changing the way we are able to look at Tome the longevity of Life the cell division and all and they are doing the study so with that you get a change of Paradigm and you get a change of

exercising your body and your mind and then you become the controller not only over the universe but over the length of your life so I’m into that that’s one of it in in general in 20 years a this will be so widespread all that people live really in guarantee happy strong and uh healthy lives and they are able to me that is called love you want to give love to your child isn’t it guarantee guarantee it health happiness and strength not six cars and seven cars make you happier your happiness makes

you happy unconditional and it it’s already there just keep it there so that that that’s where I want people to be taught in the primary school in the kindergarten or anywhere that all the parents are able to guarantee a close connection in control at will for their children also living it wherein uh they have a complete uh Mastery over their uh uh mood and that’s what the I’m already showing in uh studies just published in neural image that that it shows we have the compelling evidence of uh the

autonomous processes in the brain at will in control related to mood regulation thought of not possible now it is possible so in 20 years it’s going to be fully implemented in mental health care that things are people don’t take pills anymore depression is out of there bipolar is out of there anxiety is out of there fear is out of there trauma is out of there how about that world that in 20 years it will be implemented because I I’m not into the money I I earn my money Etc very fine but I I live my life like I always

liveing with a secondhand bike and I’m I’m happy I do my freezer thing I got a facility yes what’s up but everybody is using it so I use it as well and a freezer is there for everybody in their surrounding area it’s accessible so I I I live the life I always live live uh only I got a lot of more money but I keep it there no there’s no need but I’m doing a lot of good work with this I’m bringing things to signs just to signs that is the main focus and to make it WID spread as you said it’s already widespread but this is

needs to be changing regular Health Care needs to know regular healthare implemented that we are the Masters and not the pharmaceutical industry and that’s great to have a healthy economy industry h on our sickness I say we have to become healthy it’s a very human thing and I all people working in the pharmaceutical industry they it has developed itself because we gave it a chance because we didn’t know new better but now the alternatives are there and it’s not just alter alternative medicine it’s real evidence-based in our uh to

connect with the abilities of ours to become happy strong and healthy sorry so so in the end for you it’s about contributing to a more happy and healthy Humanity on Earth uh absolutely yeah to get back H when my mother was 80 years she said to me I don’t know where the years have gone stand still man and do that every day because you have an ability to look retrospectively at your life at your being at your life force every day we have to really bring that like a meditation in the schools learn not only mathematics and

history but learn that you are life force what is it right now to bring that to an Optimum in control is that meditation if I go into the Frieza 20us 22 it’s like meditation deep meditation I mean very effective deep meditation but meditation takes a very long time and they are compare in psychiatric uh research which I’m doing right now with Michigan Detroit Wayne State Neuroscience they say uh this goes deeper than deep meditation this technique so now we found a adequate answer to all those problems like

bipolar depression neurological disorders of of the of the brain we found them and we found the key components thereof so now it’s a matter of time that we will take over implement it into mental health care and you know change the industry Bim thank thanks a lot for your time I think it was a really extraordinary interview conversation uh I think so too well you know it always takes two to make the conversation and I’m learning while I’m talking I see new things because it’s energy and if the the energetic level is

at the same platform you know out of there then we create something and suddenly hey look at that never saw that that’s what I saw this interview two times so I thank you very much too awesome thank you man that was great yeah [Music] wonderful this is my artistic view of the kilamanjaro in the morning with the Mist still going on very cheap 5 canvas and I make this picture in one day I got more of those pictures different pictures of course you see the Saban I climbed the kilano about four years ago but I needed eight days you do

it in one day right yeah yeah yeah 28 hours yeah 28 hours which for the most people is absolutely not normal because you have the height and height sickness yeah yeah altitude to uh yes climatization and all I painted this and the yeah you as you see it’s the sabana and it’s like my impression of the sword of ARA or serenti the endless Plains of Africa and with in the back this is the Mist in the morning and this is the kilano it’s coming from the night in the day a lot of people worry about what’s

going to happen in the next 10 or 15 years when we have artificial intelligence and a lot of processes in businesses are automated and we have more people at home because there’s no work in end I think it’s a good thing because when people have time oh instead of they have to work for their money exactly we can become creative again it’s a if if we don’t understand it the nature evolution is showing how the mind works that’s why we get automatic automated robots and and work forces and all that it shows us actually

hey you become creative because we are doing the job yeah we are surv we are doing the survival part you just get into the Consciousness yeah into creating into being beautiful and bring it to the world to the universe that’s a responsibility or the ability to respond and it’s beautiful it’s beautiful to be creative I always say sex is a big part of my life you know the drive but if I paint it’s the first time I I don’t feel the sex I’m into relationship with the universe itself I can create creation

babies are Creations this is also Creations so so powerful is it if you become creative but for that we need the robots to take care of the ship right now nicely put